Trope Talk: Dragons

Jul 31, 2020
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Dragons! They're big, they're scaly, they're legendary! But how deep does the wyrmhole go?
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  • I'd absolutely love a Troupe Talk on Creation Myths both on irl beliefs and the various ones in books/novels, ... just an idea 🤷‍♂️

    Rene OchoaRene Ochoa3 hours ago
  • Literally I started this thinking “she’s not gonna mention the Armenian dragon slayer”. I was pleasantly surprised. Thank you for including us even if it was just briefly.

    TYellowFinchTYellowFinch3 hours ago
  • Everyone read the library dragon

    Hovek the artist formerly known as OXOTNHKHovek the artist formerly known as OXOTNHK3 hours ago
  • Can we please get a Trope Talk about Foreshadowing or The Heart :)

    Jelsa FanJelsa Fan4 hours ago
  • Ancalagon is actually mentioned as an example! FINALLY! I swear, does NOBODY read the Silmarillion?

    David HollowayDavid Holloway7 hours ago
  • Darth Vader is a dragon!

    Max SchreckMax Schreck9 hours ago
  • dragons are the dogs of fantasy creatures

    Emily van der HiddeEmily van der Hidde11 hours ago
  • Dragon: exists Storm God: Wait no

    Lisa TappLisa Tapp12 hours ago
  • My first thought for "named after a dragon" was Kazuma Kiryu, the Dragon of Dojima, protagonist of the Yakuza series of games. He lives in a setting where dragons aren't even real, and he still kicks almost as much ass as the DoomSlayer.

    Sept77Sept7712 hours ago
  • Youve heard of all these, but have you heard of neko dragons? yeah on a diffent account the main character is a dragon in a werewold mefwa neko way.... Dont ask. I did it because its a symbol of the invisible sexualities. r/invisiforce! :)

    EJL YTEJL YT13 hours ago
  • I’m told there was a Persian comet dragon named Jawzahr who was so enormous they believed eclipses were caused by him eating the moon, which he couldn’t digest because he got his head cut off, but this didn’t kill him since it was punishment for having already drank a potion of immortality. Looks like the gods did not learn from the Sun Wukong incident.

    Noah WeathersNoah Weathers15 hours ago
  • I like monster Hunters way where "dragon" means "exceptionally dangerous" a lightning unicorn with a lion face counts as a dragon because it's just that dangerous

    ZachZach21 hour ago
  • Jesus man slow down i can't keep up with you

    RenRen23 hours ago
  • I like to believe that tiny cute dragons aren't not powerful, but that they aren't powerful... yet.

    Gorinich SerpantGorinich SerpantDay ago
  • Speaking of Dragon Riders I love the Wyvern Riders of fire emblem. And Claude is probably my favourite of them.

    Dayala SinghDayala SinghDay ago
  • this EXPULSES Red's asexual vibes, period.

    Ana ColmánAna ColmánDay ago
  • Does the stuff you said in the Kaiju video apply?

    Daniel HuelsmanDaniel HuelsmanDay ago
  • I have a theory that dragons are actually a form of dinosaur that had survived and evolved (wings like a pterodactyl, face, and teeth and scales of every dragon ever). Birds were originally dinosaurs, so what's to keep dragons from being real at some point in time? It would explain the fact that dragons are all over the place. Also, the reason they're extinct: Humans. (i.e. "nights in shining armor") I love this theory and would be happy to discuss it more

    Rhiannon MeierRhiannon MeierDay ago
  • Yay for Anne McCaffrey shoutout!

    Rafael Alejandro SanchezRafael Alejandro SanchezDay ago
  • Quetzalcoatl is based on a bird that is native to the region. Art imitating life kind of thing

    Robert ReeseRobert ReeseDay ago
  • As I recall the "dragon sickness" that affected Thorin was more so a movie thing. In the books his decline was more directly linked to his grandfather, Thror, and what caused his downfall: one of the seven dwarven rings of power, which was linked to (and to some extent corrupted by) Sauron's One Ring. This was exacerbated by Thorin's preexisting character flaws, which are discussed in a passage in Tolkien's Unfinished Tales. The movies did some... strange things with the story of The Hobbit.

    andrew reynoldsandrew reynoldsDay ago
  • For a fun subversion of hoard and damsel in distress? Read the Dragon Slippers trilogy! I loved 'em as a kid.

    Arkham's Yellow QueenArkham's Yellow QueenDay ago
    • I dislike those 2 tropes.

      kunik61kunik6114 hours ago
  • Red-sama, you should create a modern classics summarised : starship troopers video as soon as thou canst. ^w^

    Your High FriendYour High FriendDay ago
  • You forgot about the steroid abuser with lock jaw that ghost and goblins calls a unicorn

    SuperStar 64SuperStar 64Day ago
  • I didn't see spyro. Darn.

    Just Another MikeJust Another MikeDay ago
  • Blarogs also rode dragons... because reasons

    jozef kiskajozef kiskaDay ago
  • Does anyone else notice Smaug is a wyvern?

    Chase LundgrenChase LundgrenDay ago
    • In the film that is, in Tolkien's illustration of him he very clearly has four legs. A lot of dragons in films nowadays are technically wyverns, as that is more anatomically accurate

      Sir JaojaoSir JaojaoDay ago
    • @kunik61 fair enough

      Chase LundgrenChase LundgrenDay ago
    • 1. I bet not much of people remember old Hobbit adaption where he looks like a giant cat. 2. Who ever cares?

      kunik61kunik61Day ago
  • The fact that basically every human culture had stories about dragons suggests that dragons actually did exist back then, and for some reason they are hiding from humans since the modern era. Sounds like a great urban fantasy story.

    Ethan TokkoEthan Tokko2 days ago
    • Just wondering - by that extent gods that control each and every part of the world, demonic beings, the possibility of absolute Armageddon, secondary and parallel worlds, and wizards also exist?

      Joshua ScottiJoshua ScottiDay ago
  • Yu-Gi-Oh 5DS did Dee and the title is dragons even though their ends up being 6 at the end of the show

    Ben MartinBen Martin2 days ago
  • I once read somewhere there was a theory that the reason dragons were universal is cause every now and then in any part of the world someone would dig up a dinosaur head and recognize it as serpent like, giant, and extinct. That's also why there's such a variety cause like, they might find four legs, they might find two, they might find none! And in the same boat they might find three skulls close and think it the same creature. Just a thought.

    Mavrick CountsMavrick Counts2 days ago
  • And don't forget they can also have dog face: Falkor.

    Cynthia MoraesCynthia Moraes2 days ago
  • That’s an interesting perspective on it, that dragon is a grouping rather than a single “””species””” of creature. The term is more like “Undead” than “Vampire”; a statement of qualities with a lot of variation within Not to say vampires don’t have their variation but- you get what I’m trying to say

    balrogdahomiebalrogdahomie2 days ago
  • So you're just gonna drop Anne McCaffrey into the conversation without mentioning all the mad stuff the dragons of Pern can do? They're telepathic, telekinetic, and can TELEPORT THROUGH SPACE AND TIME!

    Isaac PriestIsaac Priest2 days ago
  • I have heard of something called the Dragonrider problem: wherein the Dragon becomes nothing more than an oversized pet/dog/horse to the rider or just a tool

    Weik-293Weik-2932 days ago
    • It happens in GoT only.

      kunik61kunik61Day ago
  • Read A Thing of Vikings, good input on this topic

    Weik-293Weik-2932 days ago
  • Hm. Think I may have been a bit too cross the first time I posted this. So. @5:23 and @12:45 THANK YOU. Watching that asinine, baseless and pedantic geek line of "It's only a dragon if it has four legs and wings" infect the internet the last few years has been maddening. There is no 'actual' or 'official' definition. There never has been, and attempts to enforce one are fantastic examples of the worst of geek culture.

    PyrePyre2 days ago
  • Favourite dragon?... Kiryu Kazuma obviously.

    maggintonsmaggintons2 days ago
  • Could you do a video on fairies, or perhaps on demons?? I think videos like those would be very interesting!!

    NekorinaNekorina2 days ago
  • I love learning and listening to things to keep a timeline for myself because of my narcolepsy. I haven't heard anyone talk about pern in so long i nearly squeed. My autistic son told me to stop sqweeking and my mother rushed out to see if something had happened... lol.. oops.

    Nova BovineNova Bovine2 days ago
  • Yeah agriculture got their own version of the Dragon throughout their Century today popular culture still loves dragons

    Jason SantosJason Santos2 days ago
  • I was wondering when the avatar reference would be made

    Elder MooseElder Moose2 days ago
  • The ultimate human fears, hun? So... spider leged manticore with wings, the additional ability to shot strong spider tread, shot poisonous spikes from its spiky tail and additional fire breathing? Did I forget anything? Maybe also able to camouflage so it can show up next to you out of the blue?

    Carla FerracciniCarla Ferraccini2 days ago
    • Again arachnophobe propaganda??? (because it has nothing to do with video and involves forcing people to believe that liking spiders is a "mental illness")

      kunik61kunik61Day ago
  • Cool, sooooo, spider-dragons then?

    The TertinatorThe Tertinator2 days ago
  • Wings on a unicorn is a pegacorn, because unicorn + pegasus :)

    KittyFaerieKittyFaerie2 days ago
  • You did a troupe talk on how dragons are so different and how it is a category, but you didn’t talk about Pokémon once!!! Like Pokémon is the definition of varying dragons.

    Finnian BloodFinnian Blood2 days ago
  • "eragon is probably more well known to you guys [than mccaffrey]." And I wept.

    Nate WinchesterNate Winchester2 days ago
  • all dragons cannot take a human(oid) form in dnd. only gold and silver.

    MegatronTarantulasMegatronTarantulas2 days ago
    • One Black did.

      kunik61kunik61Day ago
  • my Favorite Dragon: koko hekmatyer

    Tommy JohansenTommy Johansen2 days ago
  • thats why i liked the dragonology books, it catigerizes then as wyvern, lindwurm, european dragon, aisian lung. but it still says theese are ALL drragons just different types

    CharlieCharlie2 days ago
  • "It's not a dragon, it's a wyvern!" is an annoying statement I see every now and then when a live-action show/movie adapts what the books clearly states is a DRAGON. Even a wyvern is still a dragon. Just because it's short of 2 legs doesn't make it any less a dragon.

    Chimera MKChimera MK2 days ago
    • Same. Like... Eastern Dragons are wing-less. Still dragons. (I have zero problems with that) Falcor is more like a snake-dog mix. Still a dragon. Rosa NEVER transforms into a dragon. Still a dragon. A dragon has 2 legs. IT IS NOT A DRAGON. Like the heck?

      kunik61kunik61Day ago
  • We need to mention Fire Emblem's dragons, they are powerful benevolent god like creatures who can transform in a human form with dragon's parts but they get mad as old they get so they kill themselves to avoid hurt people or go into the madness and start killing everything that moves, so is a mix between the benevolent dragons and greedy dragons stereotypes

    Cristopher KingstonCristopher Kingston2 days ago
  • I don't think Dragons are 'special' becuase it can be anything, you could say that to Demons, Yokai, Fairy, etc and yet they didn't catch on like Dragons did. But the Iconic Power and the Mighty feeling, dragons can give you. That, i think is why Dragons are so popular (Same with Gods too).

    JayStormJayStorm2 days ago
  • WHY DID YOU PUT SPIDERS THERE WHY DID YOU DO THAT TO ME But yeah i love me some dragons. Fairy dragons are also cool

    shurishuri2 days ago
    • @kunik61 look, I dont like spiders. I;m not """promoting""" anything by having my brain twist sideways about specific kinds of bugs. You weren't invited to this youtube comment. Just ignore it and move on bruh

      shurishuri7 hours ago
    • STOP PROMOTE ARACHNOPHOBIA. Really: stop act like "everyone should hate spiders unless you are a mentally sick person".

      kunik61kunik61Day ago
  • oh no, now I wanna see a family of draco-arachnids

    LennartLennart2 days ago
  • Weren't Behemoth, Ziz and Leviathan more like a bull, a gryffin and a fish/whale? Also why does everyone skip Ziz in the listing of biblical monsters :(

    BarbarianGodBarbarianGod2 days ago
  • There is one bit of dragon rider folklore from Transylvania that predates Dragon Riders of Pern. It's related to the legend of Scholomance, the school of black magic. The dragon riders (Solomonari) could control the weather and cause storms, which seems to be a twist on the storm god vs. dragon theme. I never made that connection until watching this video.

    Dorian ZaneDorian Zane2 days ago
  • About Dragon Riding, I believe there are precedents in Eastern Mythologies and Religions. Sheshanaga, for example, serves as a resting place for Vishnu. Bodhisattvas in Buddhism are often depicted as standing on Dragons to travel and help the people. There’s also Sanzang, who rides a Dragon (albeit in the shape of a horse). In certain East Asian countries, Crocodiles and turtles are also sometimes classified as types of dragons. While no crocodile rider comes to mind, a lot of Saint-like and deities in East Asian cultures do ride Turtles.

    Huy Trần ĐăngHuy Trần Đăng2 days ago
  • The first five books are about “The war of seven tribes (dragon tribes )”.You’ll love it.

    FUN and ART RachelFUN and ART Rachel2 days ago
  • I like to read《Wings of fire 》l’m reading book eight .“A must read for any dragon fan.”

    FUN and ART RachelFUN and ART Rachel2 days ago
  • Thank you for not doing the "ACTUALLY, that's a wyvern, not a dragon" I'm soooo tired of that -_-

    Johanna OJohanna O2 days ago
  • Es funny cause my project has a “Dragon-Spider”

    Guy from 20XXGuy from 20XX3 days ago
  • Wait so when it comes to Dragons are misunderstood, what about the Tarasque?

    Guy from 20XXGuy from 20XX3 days ago
    • This is not such a legend. A typical dumb dragonslaying legend.

      kunik61kunik61Day ago
  • I'm pretty sure that the whole Dragon taxonomy debate started because everyone bought that Dragonology book at their school's scholastic book fair and took it WAY too seriously

    Raptormann0205Raptormann02053 days ago
  • The best dragon is the Dovahkiin.

    Joshua WoodsJoshua Woods3 days ago
  • "It's seriously everywhere, i don't know why" because.... dinosaurs! Different species of dinos were found in different regions, which is why dragons seem to have so many different characteristics (# of wings, legs, horns, etc) and most dinos are pretty big, so it's not a huge leap to 'powerful and important.' Add in human curiosity and a penchant for storytelling and you get dragons

    MariposaGal19MariposaGal193 days ago
  • Dragons are awesome. Storm gods can attack dragons from a distance, prolly can float/fly and their attacks can't be melted by scorching venom/fire. Since dragons in a lot of cultures are water adjacent creatures it wouldn't make sense for a water god to slay them and since the ones that aren't water related normally can fly it wouldn't make sense either as they will just fly away, earth god's (as a trope) like all living things and you can't combat fire with fire, specially not when your opponent has thick scaly armour. They can fly so wind alone wouldn't work out either as demonstrated by birds that just happily fly to the eye of the tornado unscathed. Dragons don't work like humans so any psychology type god is out of the way, magic/knowledge gods would have trouble defeating a thousands of years old beast with a lot of wisdom and tricks of their own. Dragons are the definition of power and by sheer size of fiscal force so some super strong brute wouldn't cut it (except they are usually humans and humans like to see other humans win against the big scary). In other words the only thing bigger, scarier, angrier and that could objectively win we could think of is sky temper tantrums.

    Sofia cSofia c3 days ago
  • Working theory: Dragons everywhere: dinosaur skeletons. Dragons vs. Storm Gods: dinosaur skeletons found in marshes, bogs, places that look like they've been flooded, or where a flood has removed a lot of sediment concealing dinosaur fossils.

    Joey A dePubJoey A dePub3 days ago
  • **furious clicking**

    ᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚ3 days ago
  • Could you... maybe do one about extraterrestrials? edit: i forgot to say please i am so sorry

    핑엘리핑엘리3 days ago
  • I saw you acknowledging dinosaurs in the captions, forgot to record that? lmao. Would've been good to let people know that one directly too XD

    CounterShiftCounterShift3 days ago
  • I'm sad the glory of Trogdor wasn't spoken of in this video.

    shagohad3shagohad33 days ago
  • Dragon is not cat, cat has no loyalty and no interest in helping anyone. Dragon is odd dog!

    Mr FerrisMr Ferris3 days ago
  • The motif of the Thunderbird (storm god) vs. the Mishipeshu/Unktehila/horned snake/underwater panther/sea dragon is remarkably universal throughout American Indian mythology

    Spencer WillitsSpencer Willits3 days ago
  • Dragon taxonomy is still fun and interesting though. And it helps clarify what people are talking about in online nerd debates.

    Dragon TurtleDragon Turtle3 days ago
  • Is, is godzilla a dragon?

    Tim SparkesTim Sparkes3 days ago
  • I don't really count "just a giant snake" as a dragon.

    Alex JewettAlex Jewett3 days ago
  • One of the most interesting takes on dragons has to be in Ursula Le Guin's Earthsea cycle! They were definitely more on the divine and mysterious side, and I was really fascinated with her take on them and how they were ancient and wise

    Emily KavanaghEmily Kavanagh3 days ago
  • I see Lucas, i click like. good stuff, thankyou.

    Andrew MurrayAndrew Murray3 days ago
  • Red: "The audience will know to expect something powerful and important, no matter what shape it is" Me: *stares at the Horse from Journey to the West*

    JD DrawsJD Draws3 days ago
  • Sky god vs dragon is actually an allegory of order vs chaos. A lot of cultures revere sky gods as the ones in charge of maintaining order in the universe because powers over sky which is what us humans can’t reach means ultimate status for gods. So it’s the storm gods with their power and status that are given the job of maintaining order in the cosmos and the dragon serves as a symbol of chaos and evil. The dragon in question is also usually a water or underworld serpent because most people view water and the sea as powerful but violent and unpredictable and the underworld is basically dangerous and deadly. Snakes/dragons are the monsters usually because of most venomous snakes, the violent tendencies of some snakes and the way snakes move like ripples of water. So when you have sky/storm god vs dragon it basically means opposites in conflict: order vs chaos, sky vs Earth (or water), good vs evil etc. note: the term usually used for this conflict is called chaoskampf which basically means struggle with chaos or overcoming the monster. Also check out Harry Potter chamber of secrets and you see the same struggle and trope when Harry fights the basilisk which is a big venomous snake lives in the flooded chamber and saves Ginny Weasley (his future wife)

    Don NguyenDon Nguyen3 days ago
  • In Wales we have a story about two dragons fighting, one red and one white. Aka one welsh and one english. Legend says that in the time of wales’ need, the red dragon will return and defend us from the english

    Scherazade , Teller of TalesScherazade , Teller of Tales3 days ago
  • "What do Dragons eat?" "Maidens chained to rocks." "Well it'll starve here, we're on loam."

    soinhu foitusoinhu foitu3 days ago
  • I have to imagine that part of the idea for dragons came from different societies all over the world finding dinosaur bones. If you look at a T-Rex skull and had no concept whatsoever of dinosaurs, it's not a stretch to say "Hey, this must be a dragon skull!"

    Mike KMike K3 days ago
  • Tiamat, mother of all dragons. Yes, I recall

    Cole ManningCole Manning3 days ago
  • The thumbnail is a wyvern, though, not a dragon

    Sommer BlumeSommer Blume3 days ago
    • town with it, with a lot of very creative designs that still managed to make good use of the trope baggage

      soinhu foitusoinhu foitu3 days ago
  • why is there no more dragon? one thing : "here be dragons" (SCP)

    Nicolas KhodabandehNicolas Khodabandeh3 days ago
  • Can't wait for the demons and faeries trope talks next.

    Erene TheodorakisErene Theodorakis3 days ago
  • A massive dragon shows up somewhere in Eurasia causing havok. Indra: Aw yeah, time to slay a drago- Oh, what are you doing here? Thor: I'm here for the dragon. Zues: Well this is awkward. Susanoo *walks in dressed as a woman and carrying sake*: Alright let's do this thing!

    Jackson BownsJackson Bowns3 days ago

      kunik61kunik613 days ago
  • The new generation of gods killed the dragon industry

    AdokiAdoki3 days ago
  • Could be that Dragon vs Storm God is so common because it is some kind of meaning of Dragons being long living Mortal that tries for immortality by trying to overtake gods only for the Storm to act as a cage that keeps dragons forcibly grounded so they can't reach the golden realm of the gods. But as for why there are so many dragons, i would say it is because lizards are everywhere, as long as it isn't below a certain temperature, there will always be a lizard slithering or walking somewhere

    Lunar Shadow55Lunar Shadow553 days ago

    Adyen LichtwachterAdyen Lichtwachter3 days ago
  • honestly they all probably found dinosaur bones - while their skulls looked like lizards and arms looked like bird’s wings - and went “cool. giant lizards that can fly.”

    kitchensinkchronicleskitchensinkchronicles3 days ago
  • 15:06 Okay, that picture is pretty cool and I kinda want it as my desktop.

    ILiveFor TheChaosILiveFor TheChaos3 days ago
  • All these cultures probably had the same thought in reference to storm/sky gods fighting dragons: "both dragons and (insert god of the sky) claim the sky as their dominion so obviously they're gonna fight"

    Nathan BlackNathan Black3 days ago
  • sees a trope talk about dragons. *asexuals have entered the chat*

    Georgina Ribera i CaroGeorgina Ribera i Caro3 days ago
  • Oh come on.. Lucas the spider is cute!

    Juan Carlos Montilla CorreaJuan Carlos Montilla Correa3 days ago
  • As far as modern dragons go.... Dragon Booster. That is all, you're welcome.

    Maggie McGonnellMaggie McGonnell3 days ago
  • Weird that dragons have bat wings when birds are the actual reptilians.

  • I was soo happy when you mentioned the Dragonriders series. Red: 8 headed snake that really like booze DM Me: I can do something with that *writes down* Red: the ultimate fusion of human primal fears would have a lot more spiders involved. DM Me: It's kit-bashing time. Gargantuan spider legs, check. Leftover dragon body and tail, check. Giant bird winds, check, giant spider head and mandibles, check. Why hasn't this been a mini already :/

    DaemosDaenDaemosDaen3 days ago
  • I always found interesting the approach of the breath of fire 4 game to this trope. It uses the most basic definition of dragon (awe inspiring and vaguely serpent-y) and went to town with it, with a lot of very creative designs that still managed to make good use of the trope baggage

    Sergio HerreroSergio Herrero3 days ago